請問gibson 1958 reissue和1959 reissue差在哪裡??從網路上只知道flame top的58 reissue和59 , 虎紋等級看起來差不多但是價錢差很多 , 有高手知道差在哪裡嗎??音色或....??
以Neck手感來說, 58R是最粗的, 跟球棒一樣. 59R會細一點. Neck最細的是60R. 還有, 雖然1959 Reissue的價格平均是算最高的, 不過有些58R還比59R貴. 像Gibson Reissue這種琴, 紋路的等級決定一切. 目前以Reissue來說, 最貴的是2003年所出的Brazilian Historic, 跟Tom Murphy的Aged版本差不多. 以下資料為Gibson Reissue在每年規格的變化. Les Paul Historic Collection Chronicle 1993 * Historic Collection introduced. Models include; '54 Black Beauty, '56 Goldtop, '57 Custom Black Beauty/3 Pickup, '57 Goldtop, '57 Custom Black Beauty/2 Pickup, '57 Custom Black Beauty with optional Bigsby Tailpiece, '59 Flametop, '60 Flametop * First 25 Sunburst and first 15 Goldtops were painted by Tom Murphy. * Deep neck joint. * Thin Holly head veneer. * Silk screened les paul logo. * Correct pickup routing. * Les Paul classic aged inlay. * 57 Classic pickups. * Kluson replica tuners. * Vintage letter styled serial#. *"Historic collection" decal on the back of the headstock. * Indian rosewood fingerboard. *"AAAA" grade soft maple top. * Regular gibson usa brown case. * Regular early 90s style cherry sunburst. * Cherry sunburst and heritage darkburst" * Some models lack pickguard 1994 * Historic parts; only pickguard, pickup rings, trussrod cover. * Regular gibson usa white pearloid inlay. * "AAAA" grade soft maple top. * Darker transparent orangy cherry sunburst. (1994-1996) * First year for the R8 * First 200 of 1994 painted By Tom Murphy *"Historic collection" decal still on the back of the headstock. * 1995-2002 both Eastern and Western Maple used for tops 1995 1996 * "Flametop" R8 introduced in Buttersctch and Vintage Red finishes * R4 1996 up 1997 * ID micro chip in the neck joint. * Brass bridge saddles instead of steel bridge saddles. * "AAAAA" grade soft maple top. * Brighter transparent orangy cherry sunburst. (1997-199 * Pickguard blueprinted and caused a gap, revealing improper placement of the bridge pickup * Brighter back cherry color. * Junior 57 1997 up * Junior 58 1997 up * Special 58 1997-2000? * Special 60 1997-up (when they discontinued the Special 58, they incoporated the SC into the Special 60) 1998 * R2 1998-2003 * No pointers on knobs? 1999 * 40th Anniversary '59 RI - Painted and aged by Murphy (100 made?) * No R8 this year * COA began. * Thin body binding. * Thin lacquer finish. * "AAA" hard maple top. * new vintage taste cherry and darkburst. * Vintage style back red filler color. * Refined parts positions and neck shape. * Bridge pickup moved to its proper place * R9 Plaintop 1999-2000 * Gibson Stops flame enhancing * Limited quantity of "Killer Top" R9s, "AAAAA" tops, stamped R9K in cavity 2000 * No R8 this year * Vintage lifton style brown case for R9/R0. * Lemon Burst, Tri Burst. * Black Custom Art Historic case. (TKL) * No COA. * No tortoise side markers. * Rounded fretboard inlays. * Heavyweight tailpiece. * '57 Classic PUP's. * Thick jack plate. * Thick switch plate/washer. * Fine-knurl switch nut. * Amber knobs. * Gibson label potentiometers. * Orange drop capacitors. 2001 * R9 production limited to 500 units US, 1000 worldwide due to "parts constraints" * Custom Authentic models introduced (broken-in finish, aged hardware, Grovers) * Dickie Betts '57 Goldtop introduced (limited edition of 114) * R8 returns with a flametop * Thin neck binding. * New round edged pearloid inlay. (2001-2002 only) * Vintage style mid jumbo size frets. * New thick jack plate. (2001-2002 only) * Aluminum tailpiece. * Tortoise side markers * Very bright red sunburst. * Faded Tabacco, Iced Tea, Washed Cherry. * Lifton case is standard for R9/R0 * COA standard * Limited run of Brazilian board R9's given to award dealers. About 50 guitars in the 9 1203 to 9 1250 range all but 6 of them aged by Tom Murphy * 38 Official Brazilian R9's 2002 * Genuine Kluson tuners for the early units. * Improved tuner bushings * More accurately shaped fingerboard inlays * Non-wire ABR-1 bridge for the early units. * Amber tophat knobs * CTS pots * Owners Card (listing name, serial number and the dealership), Certificate of Authenticity, Reissue Strap, an Embroidered Les Paul Swatch and a Custom Care Kit. * Burstbucker type 2 & 3. * Inlay material changed to swirly plastic, corners sharpened. (only R9/R0, later for all models) * Vintage style thin jack plate. (only R9/0, later for all models) * Vintage style thin toggle switch washer. (only R9/0, later for all models) * Vintage color toggle switch knob. (only R9/0, later for all models) * Vintage style CTS pots and oil caps. not bumblebee. (only R9/0, later all models) * Dark deep cherry sunburst. * R7 gets Bursrtbuckers * Left handed Historics get side dots added to the underside of the neck * Custom Authentic loses Grovers * 8 Official Brazilian R9's * 5 Guitar Center R0 models built (listed as "LPR0PTKBNH1 LP 60 Plaintop") 2003 * Brazilian boards installed from January through May as follows: ** of 4 3001-4 3150 35 of these were R4 Custom Black Beauties = 115 BRW R4s ** of 7 3001-7 3707 220 of these were R7 Customs, 4 GTs were 02 specs, 28 were Juniors = 455 BRW R7s ** of 8 3001-8 3256 31 of these were Juniors = 225 BRW R8s ** of 0 3001-0 3163 50 were G0s, 20 were Specials = 93 BRW R0s ** R6s and R9s Do not share with other models, so all 148 R6s and all 674 R9s are BRW. * Price drop on R8s and R9s * Truss rod cover moved away from nut * Headstock shape changed * Tuners arranged to be inline * Vintage style CTS pots * Bumblebee Caps * Return to wired ABR * Madagascar rosewood fingerboard. * Eastern hard maple top * "AA" grade eastern hard maple top. * R9 flametop becomes less flashy due to increased use of Eastern Maple * R8 returns with a plain top * Burstbucker type 1 & 2. * Gold knobs instead of previous vintage amber knobs. * Corrected tuner positions. "V" intead of "l l" way. * Transparent orange to regular red cherry sunburst. * "i"dot on gibson logo moved to the correct position. * Refined parts positions and neck shape. * Inlays changed to swirly plastic, sharp corners on remaining models * Special run of "Stinger Series" guitars. Music Machine "Stingers" have Brazilian Rosewood fretboards * 50 Guitar Center R0 models built 2004 * Cloud 9 chambered models introduced in limited quantities * Jimmy Page signature model introduced; 25 Murphy aged guitars signed by JP, 150 Murphy aged unsigned models, 870 Custom Authentic non-Murphy aged guitars produced, run complete in 2007 * New custom shop black case. * "AAA" eastern hard maple top. * Silk screened logo moved to the correct location. * Short Truss Rod Screws the right size 2005 * TR screws return to the wrong size 2006 * VOS finish with aged hardware introduced * CS begins using Plek machine used for dressing frets and cutting nut slots * Real vintage looking maple top grains/figures. 2007 * Brighter back red filler color. * Real honduran mahogany............. * 50th Anniversary Goldtop (Ewwww) 157 to be built
真正的58,59聲音如何真的不知道......其實現在的customshop應該不錯，我看到美國的forum很多人都說把real vintage fender gibson 跟young customshop AB test都說新的比舊好。我相信現在的做琴技術比以住的好，特別是highend的琴。但我相信真正好聲的老琴現在要7,000美元以上才買到......
感謝達摩大大的解說!! 想再請問一下~58和59的音色會有什麼差異嗎,因為曾經有人跟我說59中頻表現比較好 ,簡而言之tone會比58好很多!! 所以58只是為了走比59低價路線而生產 , 並不是因為有別於59的音色而被生產嗎??
嗯, well, 你可能沒辦法這樣比, 因為現在光58R & 59R這二款還有分出一些不同的烤漆處理方式及型號做法, 例如Gloss finsh, VOS finsh, Chambered等. 59R被大量生產且被Custom Shop主打的原因可能是大家都喜歡有虎紋的Gibson Les Paul, 但在真正50年前的西元1958年, 只有生產過434把Les Paul Standards, 而其中大多數為Gold-Top, 而第一把漸層色的Les Paul是在1958年的5月28號才被生產出貨(來自Gibson官網的原文): With all that has been written over the past 50-plus years about the fabulous Gibson Les Paul 'burst, it's hard to fathom that it wasn't an immediate success. In fact, only 434 Les Paul Standards were built in 1958, and most of those were Goldtops! The first sunburst 1958 Les Paul was shipped by Gibson on May 28, 1958. Today, those 50-year-old sunburst Les Pauls are bringing in over $150K on the collector market 所以應該是真正的"Flame Top Sunburst Les Paul"是在1959年才開始慢慢的被生產而被各大名吉他手使用. 請記得, 58R並不代表低價路線...不然你看一下這款50th Anniversary 1958 Les Paul Standard Flame Top Murphy-Aged一把賣$6,999美金, 已經比其他有雲狀的59R還貴$1500美金. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/prod...me-Top-Murphy-Aged-Electric-Guitar?sku=515891
感謝rock兄和達摩大大嘍!! 因為我ㄧ直有gibson 1959才是gibson les paul型號中最王道的迷失 , 現在有破除ㄧ點點了!! 希望以後有機會真的去試ㄧ下gibson 1959 reissue , 感覺一下傳說中的溫暖中頻tone!!
59是gibson王道，相信是gibson吹捧出來的商業考慮吧......因一些傳奇吉他手是用59LP( jimmy page, gary rossington, duane allman....)下年是59 50th相信也會有killer top+murphy age 的limited 如果只是要gibson 的老tone, R8pain top 是很好的選擇
我只是有朋友但没有“好”朋友...所以我的吉他全是自己的血汗.....哈！ 我看報道有的說Page#1是58有的說是59,而gibson的官網便說是他於70's早期購自JoeWalsh的59。其實58或59也没關係，他巳custom了很多地方，它的neck比fender更slim, push/pull pot更能接近Tel的tone
最近終於存到一筆預算想要直上R9 但是近幾年的命名系列還有一些細節上的調整都眼花撩亂了 網路上能查到的Les Paul Historic Collection Chronicle 好像也只有達摩大PO的這段... 想請問近幾年R9有甚麼改變?
...現在沒有R這個型號囉... Gibson現在每年都在小改版、然後換名稱漲價，2016年現在有： Standard Historic Series (去年叫CS8 / CS9 / CS0、前年叫Reissue) Historic Select Series True Historic Series Collector's Choice 基本上都是騙錢的... Historic Select Series就是經銷商去工廠選木材的特別型號， 而True Historic簡單來說就是選過的Standard Historic、但是在"細節"上更復古、而且每年的製作數量有限制。 然後Collector's Choice就是找幾支比較有名、曾經上過某本Burst Les Paul圖鑑的琴來仿製...一開始是這樣啦， 後來Gibson發現很好賺，所以現在名人擁有的的Les Paul也成了仿製的對象。 最重要的是上面所有的型號都沒有用巴西玫瑰木， 我之所以強調Gibson現在的Historic沒用巴西玫瑰木不怎麼值得買的理由不是因為巴西玫瑰木是特殊材， 而是印度玫瑰木與巴西玫瑰木在音色本質上就不同，巴西玫瑰木質地硬、反應快，硬要說的話音色會更偏Ebony， 所以用印度玫瑰木是不可能得到當年的音色。 Gibson就是來騙錢的、Gibson就是來騙錢的、Gibson就是來騙錢的...說三次表示它很重要~ (笑) 沒有一定要追求Gibson Logo的話、強烈建議去買美國或日本的Copy琴，價錢低、"平均"品質卻更好， 日本很多仿製琴音色都很棒，重要的是有些會用巴西玫瑰木，這個誠意才夠!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 如果您是要買2012年以前的Reissue可以參考我這篇文章... http://chichengjuanhe.blogspot.tw/2012/05/gibson-les-paul-standard-reissue.html 然後2013、2014都有小改，對音色比較有影響的就是外漆、黏膠跟Truss Rod、Stud長度這四個有變動。 至於有甚麼影響...基本上都是官方的廣告詞...有興趣您可以去查查。
是禁止"非法砍伐/輸出"，不是禁用，私人有計畫種植的木材、附上產地證明應該是可以用的。 日本現在似乎有很穩定的巴西玫瑰木來源。 美國廠商我不熟，日本的話就Tokai、Momose、Crews Maniac Sound(Momose代工)...某些高階型號會用到巴西玫瑰木。 是說沒有特別追求復古音色的話、我其實不會特別推薦去買巴西玫瑰木，畢竟它不是暖色調、這種Les Paul可能非大家想要的那種音色。 如果只是追求良質的玫瑰木Les Paul，那倒是可以考慮Navigator， "平均"水準是屬於挑過的舊版Reissure 59等級，買Navigator至少不用像Gibson那樣還要一把一把挑。 如果預算"很高"、而且是追求完全絕對復古的話，Brillbate BR-REPLICA是一個選項： 所有的仿製資料都是來自於下面那把正1958： 價格...大概就40萬台幣左右啦...