前Sibelius團隊成員開發的新製譜軟體Steinberg DORICO發表了

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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    跳槽價還好.....我可能考慮試試看,不過看網頁介紹還看不太出來有什麼開創性。Avid 把 Sibelius 弄得沒什麼未來的感覺......只是不知道 Steinberg 是否值得信賴?
     
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    Steinberg應該是有興趣在這塊,不然也不會2012夏天Daniel Spreadbury離開Avid、沒多久11月就挖進來研發。
    願意花四年等他從零開始寫程式也算是有心(因為Sibelius程式碼不能用),但在商言商、如果賣不好,Steinberg再有興趣也會猶豫投資報酬率。
     
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    認真學好記譜法與譜面排版,其實一個出版等級案子就可以買一套 Doeico,一點也不貴喔。

    時間就是金錢,在工作效率上最快的 Sibelius ,真正符合出版製譜需求的 Finale,
    而 Doeico 號稱 S+F 的綜合體,不買對不起床舖。

    至於更希望 Doeico 真能實現 Score DAW 的目標,拜託一直都需要請人 MIDI 轉 Score 的純 DAW 作編曲家敗入,因為請人(我)製作這種工作幾次,也夠買一套 Doeico 了⋯⋯
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    Doeico 有號稱是 Sibelius 和 Finale 的綜合體嗎?最好當然是這樣⋯⋯

    話說目前還沒有所謂 Score/ Notation DAW 的東西.....雖然有少數使用者是希望這樣,但畢竟是不同功能取向的軟體。想要完整結合這兩種東西目前都還是妥協的方法,例如用 Rewire syncs DAW (其實很不好用.....我勉強試過ㄧ兩次就放棄了。除非寫的曲子比較單純,不然不是很實用)。

    另ㄧ個選擇是略為輕裝備的 Notion,比較接近給ㄧ般 musicians 用的 Sibelius。是我大學作曲系主任設計的軟體,後來好像賣給了 Presonus。
     
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    號稱是我們這些製譜界在碎念這樣啦 ...
    Score Rewire DAW 或 DAW Rewire Score 很好用的!或許我可以分享一些技術關鍵點...
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    That will be great!
     
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    聰明的木頭 Well-Known Member

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    下個禮拜10/19要上市了,英文很好的人可以先看看這個Preview,雖然大部分都在說話沒甚麼操作...
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    因為 Avid 亂搞,連我也想轉戰了......雖然對 Steinberg 沒有特別偏見,但總有些缺乏信任感 (常用的冷門軟體要有開發者的承諾與信念)。

    以下他們提出的五個 Sibelius 轉戰的第ㄧ個原因實在很好笑。那你們當初不要賣給 Avid,或是繼續在 Avid 底下奮戰不就結了?第二個理由也說不太通,因為軟體成熟後 Steinberg 也可能走上月租這條路。:mad:


    Use Sibelius? Top 5 reasons to get Dorico

    • Designed by the original core Sibelius development team, with the benefit of all their years of expertise. Experience their vision of how a next-generation scoring application should work, look and feel
    • No monthly subscription or annual plan required — buy the current version of Dorico and receive maintenance releases at no additional cost. You choose when you want to update to a future version, with simple, one-off upgrade pricing
    • Import in-progress projects into Dorico in MusicXML format, and continue to collaborate with other Sibelius users by exporting MusicXML files
    • Simple, streamlined user interface that fits comfortably on a single display,with fast keyboard access to every feature
    • Flexible input and editing, with superior handling of complex meters and tuplets, makes it quicker and easier to express your musical ideas

    Use Finale?Top 5 reasons to get Dorico

    • State-of-the-art 64-bit technology and multi-core performance from brand-new code
    • The power and flexibility you demand, in a friendly, fast, modern and efficient package
    • Import in-progress projects into Dorico via MusicXML, and collaborate with other Finale users by importing and exporting MusicXML files
    • Superior horizontal music and vertical stave/system spacing, including comprehensive collision avoidance and unique kerning capabilities, producing beautiful results by default
    • Experience the high-performance, world-class Cubase audio engine, including support for VST 3 instruments and effects
     
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    除了錢以外、有可能是當初Avid承諾會給很多資源所以賣了,但大公司最會開芭樂票了;
    至於後者、像這種大公司的內部政策歧視與各部門間鬥爭之凶險,專搞創作的工程師不多一點心機應該很難待得下去,
    至於Steinberg之後會不會也一樣,那得等蜜月期過了才知道...如果Dorico賣不好...嗯~
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    定價實在很高!而且 crossgrade 似乎還有時期限制......

    The full version of Dorico will be available beginning October 19, 2016, for $739.99 (MSRP). Dorico will also be offering educational pricing for qualifying teachers and students, as well as a special limited-time crossgrade offer for qualifying Sibelius, Finale and Notion users.
     
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    沒有吧,我看連結影片的下面回覆是說$544.99,跳槽特價是到March 31. 2017,就算不看這些非官方說法,
    至少日本公定價盒裝版含USB eLicenser是58000日幣未稅、跳槽價30000日幣未稅,含稅+8%也比原本歐元定價便宜10%。
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    免費的簡版 Dorico SE 推出!看起來還挺不錯,如果不需要 dongle,我可能試ㄧ下!


    Dorico SE brings a number of unique capabilities to free music notation software for the first time, particularly in the area of sound and playback, including:
    • Sequencer-style Play mode, complete with piano roll editor, velocity editor, automation lanes for MIDI controllers, and a unique new dynamics lane that allows tweaking of the playback effect of dynamic markings written in the score.
    • Support for all VST 3 instrument and effect plug-ins, in addition to the included HALion Sonic SE 3 sampler with more than 1,000 production-ready sounds, and a suite of 30 effects plug-ins.
    • A full audio Mixer, with sends and inserts for effects, and a global effects channel.
    • The same award-winning, high-precision audio engine found in Steinberg’s leading digital audio workstation, Cubase.
    • Easy export of audio files in MP3 and WAV format.

    The same powerful workflows for inputting, editing and arranging music that make Dorico Elements and Dorico Pro so fast and easy to use are also included in Dorico SE, together with its celebrated single-window user interface, which puts everything you need within easy reach and one or two clicks of the mouse. Dorico SE also sports a comprehensive set of key commands that make it possible to fly through input and editing.

    Dorico SE can open projects created in Dorico Elements and Dorico Pro, and projects created in other products in the family can be edited in Dorico SE provided they included only one or two players. Projects with a greater number of players can still be opened, played back and printed.

    To help young composers and arrangers make a flying start with learning Dorico SE, a dedicated series of short tutorial videos is available on YouTube to lead new users step-by-step through the process of creating their first project and mastering Dorico SE’s basic workflows.

    Product Marketing Manager for Dorico, Daniel Spreadbury, said: “Supporting the next generation of composers, arrangers and educators is a vital part of our mission at Steinberg. Dorico SE demonstrates our commitment to making our powerful, industry-leading tools available to all musicians, whatever their budget and level of experience. We’re looking forward to seeing and hearing all of the incredible music that Dorico SE will help young musicians to create.”

    With the introduction of Dorico SE, there is now a version of Dorico suitable for every musician and every budget in the product family:
    Dorico SE is free to download and use, allows projects with up to two players, and is ideal for beginning composers and arrangers.
    Dorico Elements provides all of the essential power of Dorico Pro, allows projects with up to 12 players, and is ideal for those needing to write for larger ensembles.
    Dorico Pro is the next-generation music notation software used by professionals in concert and media music, music publishing, and education, allowing projects with an unlimited number of players, and includes the unique Engrave mode, with full DTP-style page layout and graphical editing features.

    Availability and pricing

    Dorico SE is available to download from the Steinberg website completely free of charge. Dorico SE users who later wish to trade up to Dorico Elements or Dorico Pro will benefit from preferential pricing and can find the latest offers exclusively in the Steinberg Online Shop.

    Key features

    • The same beautiful automatic engraving as Dorico Pro
    • Easy note input using mouse, computer keyboard or MIDI keyboard
    • Intelligently adjusts notation as you write
    • Any number of movements or pieces in a single project
    • Automatic layout of instrumental parts
    • Stunning playback — HALion Sonic SE 3 and hundreds of sounds included
    • Supports VST 3 virtual instruments and effects processors (30 included)
    • Sequencer-style piano roll MIDI editor
    • Sophisticated chord symbols, unpitched percussion and drum set notation
    • Unbarred music, tuplets across barlines, microtonality, etc. all handled correctly — no workarounds
    • Transfer to and from other programs via MusicXML, MIDI, PDF, etc.

    YouTube page:www.youtube.com/dorico
    Product page and download:www.steinberg.net/dorico/se
     
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    真的推 D
    例如,打譜時我最討厭打 [4分附點音符+8分音符] ro [8分附點+16分音符] 等之類有附點音符的節奏音型,指令要一直切換很煩
    D可以讓你先取巧打完ㄧ整串四分音符 or 八分音符後,最後整份譜打完後,再獨立圈選後利用自動化轉化成上述節奏音型,一秒完成。
     
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    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    Steinberg 對這個產品的推廣實在有點不乾脆.......沒寫清楚是否需要 elicenser,居然還要開個帳號才可以下載。應該很多人網頁點半天最後還是算了........
     
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    聰明的木頭 Well-Known Member

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    官方上周剛釋出的影片,應該沒有過期的問題:


    題外話,我很久之前就發現如果引言(或回文)中出現太多"點點點"、文章就有可能無法修改,
    剛剛這篇文章也是一直無法完成儲存,花了十分鐘直到我把掌門人文章中的"點點點"減成三個才能正常修改。
     
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    Dorico 三個版本其實都可以不需要 USB Dongle, 可以用 Soft eLicenser, 只是有 Dongle 會比較方便在不同電腦上使用,Steinberg 也接到了不少抱怨,目前正在找尋整個產品線不需要使用 Dongle 的 Solution。
     
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