Ibanez和Jackson的比較

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  1. imported_達

    imported_達 New Member

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    我想買一支琴...大約計3-4000港幣
    各位認為買一支次等琴再換pu會不會跟一些貴既琴相近呢?
    我是想盡量多種風格都能玩,由其是metallic和steve vai這些,應該換什麼pickup好呢?
    我想要humbucker,用不用換一對呢?
    還有一些問題...
    1.jackson只有日本和美國嗎?有沒有韓國?它們的質素和價錢如何?
    2.韓國ibanez換dimarzo tone zone如何?

    請各位大大發表一下^^..
     
  2. 尹佬

    尹佬 New Member

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    Dear Tai,

    My cousin have a Japan-made Jackson for about HK$4,500.00 in 1999, I have installed a Duncan Full Shred in Neck position, Duncan Distortion at bridge for this guitar. Work fine. But please noted those Duncan pus were used by me before, so I have offered him half price as those pus are second-hand.

    Now, there was a Korean made Neck-through Body Ibanez with nice price at Wanchai Tom Lee, take a look. May be it would be suitable for you.

    I really like Dimarzio pickups, but if a guitar's basic tone was not that good, don't invest on high quality replacement pu liked Dimarzio.

    For my U. S. made Jackson soloist, I am using Dimarzio Norton for bridge position, Duncan Alnico II pro single-coil at neck/middle. My strings gauge was 010-046.

    Talk to you soon.
     
  3. imported_達

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    哦...emg pu 如何?
    聽別人說很電? 真的嗎?
     
  4. 尹佬

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    Hi, Tai, sorry to write in English, since I am using English Windows in office. EMG will work very well if you use a lot of effects or a huge effect racks. Since, its signal was buffered.

    Well, I have heard of many people putting out negative comments on EMG, liked saying it was fake, liveless, etc. But, if EMG was that bad, how can this company survive ? Why Pros liked Zakk Wylde & David Gilmour use it ?

    Now, imaging if active pu (EMG-type pickups) was invented before the passive one. Just an asssumption, not true. Due to this assumption, everyone get use to the sound of active pickup, how will they say about passive ? I think the passive one will receive the same amount of negative comments as the EMG nowaday in Real World. So, whether the tone of a pu is good & bad, it was depended on your taste.

    Just for your information, it was Mr. Les Paul proposed active pus to Gibson during the '50, and the Les Paul guitar in Mr. Les Paul's hands was with his special design active pus.

    For me, I have an ESP with EMG SA/89, and U. S. made Jackson with EMG SA/SA/89. If EMG was liked someone say, fake and made every guitars sound the same. Why I can tell there was difference in sound between my two EMG-equiped guitars ?

    To be frank, EMG may help to hide some of your minor mistakes for you, whereas highly sensitive pu liked Dimarzio Evolution or Steve Special will put out your mistake and laugh at you. Hope you understand why I mean. Gather information from Harmony Central & your fans before making descision on which pu to go.

    Sorry for being a bit long-winding. Take care, bye.
     
  5. Deth

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    I have a Korean made Ibanez RG and a USA jackson.
    I got rid of the Ibanez stock pickups and put in Duncans. I'd say changing pickups will almost yeild instant improvement , it might not be your favourite tone but it surely gets more quiet than the awful stock pups I had.
     
  6. rock99

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    琴本身不夠好的話,換PU只是浪費錢,就算你換了最好的PU,有一天你還是會想去買一把好琴的
    Ibanez和Jackson的差別,我覺得當你在擁有一把Ibanez時,你會覺得他的音色怎麼和你在CD上聽到的差很多,需要靠很多效果器才能作得有點像。但是當你有了一把Jackson USA時,你會發現,只要插上一顆好的AMP,他就是你在CD上聽到的聲音
     
  7. 雜唸Roger

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    老實說...我不這麼認為喔........^^y
    因為我是Ibanez的愛好者,所以站出來為Ibanez平反一下
    如果說一把低等級琴如RG270跟Jackson USA來比
    我同意Rock99兄說的話,不過這樣也有失公平
    但是如果一把Ibanez RG3120跟Jackson USA SL-1來比我倒是覺得Jackson USA SL-1不會佔到什麼優勢
    以下是我個人的看法...

    第一:論琴的價位,RG3120價位約在NT38000-40000,而Jackson USA SL-1現在價位在NT60000-70000

    第二:論琴的做工,我比較過RG3120跟Jackson SL-1兩者可以說不相上下,不過最大的不同就是SL-1是採用Through Body Neck的接法,其低音傳導性比Bolt-on來的好,不過相反的也失去了Bolt-on清脆綿密的高音...

    第三:論琴的音色,RG3120是Mahogany+Maple Tone,而SL-1是Alder+Maple,兩樣是截然不同的聲音,每個人各有各的喜好所以無從比較(不過我是比較喜歡Mahogany+Maple Clean Tone甜甜,破音厚實的音色)而同樣是五段切換,其音色通用範圍不相上下

    第四:論彈Metal PowerChord的爽度,RG3120 Mahogany+Maple的Body搭配Dimarzio Tone Zone,出來的聲音渾厚有力,我個人覺得比Jackson SL-1 Alder+Maple搭配Seymour Duncan TB-4的顆粒來的扎實來的爽

    第五:RG3120的搖座是Lo-Pro Edge,其穩定度不輸Floyd Rose Original Edge

    當然這只是我個人的想法,不過我真的覺得現在已經不是非美廠琴不可的年代了,小日本鬼的東西現在很受老外肯定很多老外比較起Ibanez,ESP,Jackson..等這些以Rock Metal琴出名的品牌,大部分人都是推薦Ibanez居多,原因是價位便宜實在又好用....

    另外提外話.....
    常聽到有人說Ibanez琴沒個性,我到想問的是何謂"個性"...
    在我的見解,個性就是獨一無二,我想每一把琴都有他的個性存在,就算是同樣Ibanez,RG3120的音色跟JEM系列或JS系列的音色比較起來也可說是天壤之別,更別說跟其他廠牌比較,難道這就不叫"個性"

    而Ibanez低價琴差並不等於Ibanez的高價琴差,而Ibanez?漸~型不夠Metal並不等於Ibanez琴彈Metal不夠力
    我深深的相信,同價位同等級同取向的琴來做比較Ibanez琴不會比較差......
    我之前曾擁有過一把PRS CE24...
    之前在猶豫到底要換Ibanez J-Custom還是PRS Custom24...
    相信我,我比較過Ibanez J-Custom RG8570跟PRS Custom24兩者不管音色,做工,用料,手感都不相上下....
    或許很多人很難相信,但是我相信我的耳朵...

    以上是我的感覺跟大家分享.....^^
     
  8. ESPCUSTOMSHOP

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    若只比指版的話...我會投給JACKSON一票

    比較符合人體工學吧..IBANEZ指版太薄了

    彈不太習慣.其實雖然我那把是PGM10TH

    算是IBANEZ裡面少數的好琴.可是她的NECK接合處

    接的還蠻爛的...我說真的

    一分錢一分貨吧...

    每一個廠牌一定有爛琴跟好琴.妳這樣問可能比不出來

    找兩個型號這樣比較好比吧

    預算在3.4000港幣應該很多吧

    可以買JS10th或者其他的美場JACKSON吧

    可以說每一隻都不錯吧.不過價位都要6起跳吧
     
  9. [] JEM.ZAX []

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    換PU會改變聲音沒錯,但聲音的好壞不是完全靠拾音器,木頭好壞因素也佔很大比例...

    我彈過幾把中階的Ibanez,都發現有個共通缺點-延音太快死...韓場的Ibanez就不需考慮了..

    之前不知哪位前輩說過..
    整體木頭好壞就好比人的嗓子,PU就類似於Mic...嗓子爛,用再好的Mic也是一樣..

    我個人是滿贊成的..

    要Vai的聲音,只有EVO吧??!!
    我之前有一朋友有7V,插進去JCM800,中高頻多一點,就有些許Vai的感覺了..不過,最重要的音色是來自"手指"吧..
     
  10. 雜唸Roger

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    To ESPCUSTOM:並不是每把Ibanez都是像PGM這麼薄
    我三把Ibanez,三把的Neck厚度型狀都不同
    基本上Neck的厚薄是個人習慣上問題,我覺得跟人體工學好像沒啥關係..^^

    TO 主席:我同意你說的"換PU會改變聲音沒錯,但聲音的好壞不是完全靠拾音器"
    但這句"木頭好壞因素也佔很大比例"我覺得應該改成"木頭種類的不同佔很大的比例"...
    該怎麼說呢...舉個例來說
    你想要Gibson琴的音色,如果你用Alder Body的琴來改PU不管怎麼改都不可能接近Gibson琴的聲音.....
    但如果你是用Mahogany琴來改跟Gibson相同的PU,我想姑且先不論Neck的木頭.Neck指版.Neck長度.Neck Joint方式.Neck角度.等因素這樣子的聲音我想沒有七成也會有六成像...
    同樣的木頭或許有好壞之分,但對音色方面的影響,我相信種類之分大於好壞之分....
    就像Scott Henderson現在是用Suhr的琴,但是其音色跟之前用Ibanez琴的音色差別並不大....

    這句的確比喻的很妙...^^
    "整體木頭好壞就好比人的嗓子,PU就類似於Mic...嗓子爛,用再好的Mic也是一樣"
    我暫時想不到什麼例子可以反駁,但是我想吉他跟人還是不太一樣的...^^

    我同意這句話
    "最重要的音色是來自"手指"吧"..
    很多聲音的感情高低起伏的部分的確是來自於手指....

    TO 達:韓廠琴一般給人的感覺是Cheap.粗工濫造不管Ibanez或Jackson都一樣
    但是其實韓廠也是有不錯的琴如要買韓廠琴我會建議買Cort的X-Custom.....
    我不推薦韓廠的Ibanez因為就如JEMZEX主席所說其做工是眾所皆知的爛,
    如果你要買Ibanez我建議你買把一定等級以上的日廠琴如RG570EX再來改PU
     
  11. DAY

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    我也同意換pu不一定能改善音色,
    彈身(木頭)影響佔的比例也很大!

    而我有一把Ibanze RG,近來亦買了一把Jackson SL-1,
    之前我也考慮換pu, 因香港綱上流傳換pu能改善音色,
    或買一些次一級的結他再換pu的建議......

    我覺得有點賭博成份......

    如果我只有一支命根的話, 我便不會想了......
     
  12. 尹佬

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    Hi, Dav, you might be right.

    But I can tell you my story. I have a U. S. made 1988 Jackson Dinky Strat bought at Bargin price in HK Music store at 1990. The original pickup, may be something wrong with it, was totally liveless. First, I re-set up this guitar then replace with Duncan JB. The improvement in tone was surprising. So, I agree that if the wood of a guitar was good, the tone will be upgraded by installing a pu which suit your personal taste. Nowaday, this Jackson was with Dimarzion Air Zone at bridge. In my personal taste, on the sustain & tone sides, it can compete with my 1995 Gibson Les Paul Classic Plus.

    Oh, it is far away from the discussion subject sorry. For the Japan made Jackson for about HK$4500 - HK$6000, they are in acceptable workmanship at the price range. Moreover, the good things about them were, those Japan Jackson was with rigid neck and stay in tune quite well. If you can get some nice replacement pus liked Dimarzio or EMG or even Duncan. Why give it a try ? Or if you don't want to spend that much, find the second-hand pu in eBay.

    Sorry for a bit long-winding, but it was my humble opinion.
     
  13. [] JEM.ZAX []

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    可悲的是,換PU不見得真能得到你想要的聲音..

    我曾有一朋友有Japan製RG570,原廠PU是V7,V1與V8,之後換了Bridge的V8->Evo,之後聲音有較好點,但只好到跟我的JEM555一樣,聲音很相似...但之後跟7V比,不只是聲音被八死,手感與價值感(外表etc)都差 F好幾倍...
     
  14. jackson

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    有一個小疑惑...韓廠的琴Cort比Ibanez好,可是之前聽說Ibanez韓廠的琴不是Cort代工的嗎?那怎麼還會有多大的差別呢?
     
  16. 雜唸Roger

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    Ibanez低價琴的確是Cort代工的沒錯,琴頭後面序號為C字頭就是韓廠...
    會建議Cort是因為其價格實在,相同的價格Cort可以買到比較高檔一點的配備....
    以相同價位的低價琴來說Ibanez真的不如Cort....
     
  17. rock99

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    Roger兄:
    你後來買了J custom了嗎?我以前也很哈這把,但等親眼目睹之後覺得實在不怎麼好看,就選擇了KE2,我一直覺得Ibanez實在不適合跟人家做什麼Maple top,看起來真是不順眼
    可能我沒試過Mahogany Body的Ibanez,應該去試試!我對Ibanez的印象還是停留在以前那種沒什麼低頻但高頻很尖的印象
    順便問一下,一般Ibanez的琴,如果換0.010的弦會不會改善高頻太尖的問題?
     
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    其實Ibanez的高階琴的高頻並不會很尖,以我個人所擁有
    的三把J-custom來說,我的JCRG5就有相當渾厚的低頻,
    而且高頻也相當穩定。另外兩把S1540和S540的低頻雖然
    不如JCRG5來的厚,但也有相當的水準了,高頻也同樣相
    當穩定,試過的人都說正。有機會大家可以試試J-custom
    系列,我個人覺得不會比美廠的Jackson差。
     
  19. 阿仲

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    我讚成roger說的~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    我也喜歡ibanez~~~~
    手邊也有早期的ibanez~我的感覺是~~~
    如果真的要改pu還是先了解自己想要的是什麼會比較重要~
    因為在hi-gain的狀況下~pu的特性都會變得不明顯~所以買把自己喜歡的好琴會比較ok點~
     
  20. [] JEM.ZAX []

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    Rock99兄,

    Roger兄早就有那把J-custom啦..^^
    他還有貼圖片呢,很漂亮很漂亮..

    問個問題各位..
    這把台灣有嗎?? 聽說只有美線才以這把Neck-Thru..
    看起來也不錯呢!!!
    RGT3120..
     

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