63 Fender Vibroverb Clone by Auralux

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  1. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    最接近真品的手工打造的複製品

    六個月後我總算買到這個 David Salzman 手工打造的63 Vibroverb Clone 複製品, Dave 賣了很久決定降價. 昨天我用 Fender 67 Blackface Twin Reverb 和他換. 雙方似乎都很滿意.

    放上'63 Vibroverb Clone 照片供參考

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    Dave是向朋友借了真正的63年的Vibroverb音箱放在旁邊(只生產250台, 市價$6000-8000), 按63年的Vibroverb規格慢慢地製作的.

    電路板比1990年 Fender RI 規格正確, 整流器(Rectifier)和63年的規格相同用真空管不是1990 RI 的電子整流器, 變壓器 (output transformer)是和63年規格相同的70年的零件. 連電阻和加油口蓋的用紙都用中古的. 可以看出Dave對規格細節的執著和細心.

    這台音箱是裝 1X10 和 1X12的喇叭. 1X12是1958 Jensen Alnico P12Q.

    我相信很難找到如此接近63年Vibroverb真品的複製品.

    音箱的木箱是用帶漂亮木紋的松木. 比Twin Reverb 輕十多磅, 我勉強可搬的動.

    音色我上次和這次都試過, 的確是沖浪吉他手的夢幻音箱.

    Dave Salzman 是芝加哥有名的 Auralux Pedals / tube Amps 師傅

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    David 的廣告用詞

    Accurate replica of the 1963 Fender Vibroverb, except that this amp has one10" speaker AND one 12" speaker. Makes for a slightly bigger tone. The 12"speaker currently installed is an actual vintage 1958 Jensen Alnico P12Q.The 10" is a fairly recent Eminence Legend ceramic, similar to what is used in the Fender reissue.

    The circuit is WAY more accurate than the Fender reissue, including tube rectifier and the amp has an ACTUAL 1970 Fender output transformer, the exact model that was used in the original '63 Vibroverb.

    Power transformer is new and was made by Magnetic Components here in Chicago. This amp is THE CLOSEST thing to buying an ACTUAL VINTAGE '63 Vibroverb.It is the clone of an actual '63 that was present on the bench when this was built. Vintage (tested) paper in oil caps and carbon comp resisters were used throughout.

    The teak oiled wood is stunning reclaimed southernyellow pine (boards are from the 60's!), finger-jointed just like Fender,and Fender wheat grill cloth installed. Must see and hear to appreciate this amp! This one-of-a-kind amp is $ xxxx or $ xxxx if I remove the vintage Jensen 12" speaker.

    Brownface, brown Tolex-the 1963 Vibroverb

    The original (6G16 circuit) Vibroverb was introduced in February 1963, the speaker lineup and the output transformer were based on the Fender Super amp of the time, the circuit based on the Fender Vibrolux of the time, with no presence control and only one 12AX7 tube for the tremolo effect. It sported typical “brownface” cosmetics, with brown “Tolex” covering (introduced by Fender in 1959), and wheat-colored speaker cloth.

    The 40-watt amplifier boasted two channels (NORMAL and BRIGHT). Both channels had VOLUME, TREBLE and BASS controls; the single-control REVERB affected only the BRIGHT channel.

    The tremolo effect (labeled VIBRATO by Fender, see “VIBRATO or TREMOLO?” section of the article Vibrato unit) had two controls, SPEED and also INTENSITY, which affected the bias of the output tubes and therefore both channels. To make room for the reverb circuitry (not found on the Super amp) the company used the direct-coupled oscillator vibrato circuitry found on Fender’s previous generation tweed amplifiers (which used two tubes fewer than the Super’s brownface vibrato circuit).

    The TREBLE control was the same as found in many Fender amplifiers of the time (i.e. Pro Amp -6G5A-, the Super -6G4A-, the Showman -6G14-, the Vibrolux -6G11-). It was fitted with a “tapped” treble circuit, meaning that the treble control is “flat” at setting “5”; cutting or boosting the treble was possible by turning the knob down (below “5”) or up (above “5”), respectively.

    It had two ten-inch speakers manufactured by the Oxford Loudspeaker Company.
    This incarnation of the Vibroverb was made for only a few months, and it is thought that fewer than 600 of these units were made.

    Tube Complement:
    Power:............6L6GC (Two)
    Preamp:...........7025 (Two)
    Phase Inverter:...7025
    Rectifier:........GZ34
    Tremolo/Vibrato:..12AX7
    Reverb Driver:....12AX7
    Reverb Recovery:..7025

    音色比較:

    今天把剛剛買回來的 Vibroverb Clone 和67 Blackface Bandmaster 做一個比較

    用Groch Retro Classic stratocaster 吉他, 同樣的設定 (Bridge pickup) Volume 8

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    Vibroverb 和 Bandmaster 同樣的設定 : Treble 5, Bass 6, Reverb 4, Volume 3
    Bandmaster 經過 Gomez 的 G-String Reverb Box

    彈奏同二首曲子; Diamond Head & Harlem Nocturne 背景音樂故意關低, 讓吉他聲音顯出.

    試驗結果: 兩個音箱音色都不錯, 彈投機者的演奏曲都很合適.

    Bandmaster 用 Gomez Reverb Box 要比Vibroverb 內建的 Reverb 稍微安靜一點. 搬運起來, Vibroverb 要方便多了, 一提就走. 55磅左右勉強可搬. Bandmaster 需要帶Head+Cabinet+Reverb, 分開是輕多了.

    Harlem Nocturne 哈林小夜曲:

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccVXQ1dQSG0

    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CWLwIsgZOuc?feature=player_embedded" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLwIsgZOuc

    Diamond Head 鑽石頭:

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-T_1l1NFU

    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/O7gh-1OQjJQ?feature=player_embedded" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7gh-1OQjJQ

    Vibroverb 的音色比較甜比較暖. 低音貝士音色比較低沉, 沿音較長.
    Bandmaster 音色比較清脆比較亮. 低音貝士音色比較平, 沿音較短截.

    個人認為 Vibroverb 要勝一籌. 大家意見如何?


    :)
     
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  2. Marc

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    Vibroverb音色真的很棒

    但不知是不是因為Reverb的關係
    個人覺得Bandmaster的音色比較適合這兩首曲子
     
  3. Desert Surfer

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    謝謝Marc的回復

    Bandmaster (大姐姐 Showman)是60年代沖浪吉他樂隊通用的音箱, 從許多錄音也許大家比較熟悉它的音色. 63 Brownface Vibroverb 只生產500-600台就停產, 很少樂團用. 最有名的 Vibroverb 使用吉他手是SRV (64 Blackface Vibroverb) 不過他的是改裝的.

    Vibroverb是Fender 第一台內建 Reverb的音箱. Gomez的G-String的Reverb tank效果的確要好很多, 不過比較貴. Gomez 的brownface clone手工音箱是沖浪吉他界公推的Rolls Royce, 但是實在貴($3000以上, 光是G-String reverb tank就要$825) 而且不容易買到. (公司已經宣佈在今年7月正式關閉)

    也許我應該用Vibroverb接Gomez 的 G-String Reverb Tank 試試.

    :)
     
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  4. Fz0115

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    vibro比較smooth? 感覺tone比較溫潤
    band略粗硬? 我比較喜歡vibro, 但我也認為band 更match這種音樂?
     
  5. Desert Surfer

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    謝謝Fz0115的回復

    沖浪音樂是要比較punchy. :p

    也許我用Vibroverb來彈爵士曲風?:cool:

    :)
     
  6. Fz0115

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    不知道沙叔熟不熟悉 tonemaster.....或其他60左右衍生的blackface, xxxface家族? 我大概只了解主要是bassman, twin reverb兩大系統, 但實在太多分支,蠻想趁機了解一下~~~
    謝謝
     
  7. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    不是很熟悉, 略知一二皮毛而已.

    我喜歡合適60年代沖浪或投機者演奏曲傳統的Fender音箱. 傳統的Twin Reverb和Bassman 我都用過. TR我有過 BlackFace 和SilverFace, 我覺得好喇叭很重要, 如果自己彈, 買便宜的SilverFace TR, 換好的喇叭最經濟划算. TR對我而言太重了, 而且瓦數超過我的需要. 清音和安靜性沒有Vibroverb好, 所以把它換掉了.

    Bassman 我還留著, 它的用途比較廣泛, 彈貝士吉他都可用.

    :)
     
  8. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    Fender不同時期的Vibroverb

    Fender不同時期出產過Vibroverb音色的比較

    63 Vintage (Brownface):

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    Tube Complement:
    Power:............6L6GC (Two)
    Preamp:...........7025 (Two)
    Phase Inverter:...7025
    Rectifier:........GZ34
    Tremolo/Vibrato:..12AX7
    Reverb Driver:....12AX7
    Reverb Recovery:..7025

    64 Vintage (Blackface):

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    Tube Complement:
    Power:............6L6GC (Two)
    Preamp:...........7025 (Two)
    Phase Inverter:...12AT7
    Rectifier:........GZ34
    Tremolo/Vibrato:..12AX7
    Reverb Driver:....12AT7
    Reverb Recovery:..12AX7

    63 Reissue (1990-1995)

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    Tube Complement: (stock tubes were “Fender Special Design”)
    Power:............6L6WGC (Two)
    Preamp:...........12AX7A (Two)
    Phase Inverter:...12AX7A
    Rectifier:........Solid State Diode
    Tremolo/Vibrato:..12AX7A
    Reverb Driver:....12AT7
    Reverb Recovery:..12AX7A
    Circuit:......6G16

    64 Reissue (2003-2008)

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    Tube Complement:
    Power:............GT-6L6 GE (Two)
    Preamp:...........12AX7 (Two)
    Phase Inverter:...12AT7
    Rectifier:........5U4 GB USA or GZ34 –or- Solid State Diode (switchable)
    Tremolo/Vibrato:..12AX7
    Reverb Driver:....12AT7
    Reverb Recovery:..12AX7
    Circuit:.....AA763

    63 Clones:

    Lucas Miles 63 Vibroverb replica:
    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Qn3L6kcw_Qw?feature=player_detailpage" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>

    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/TqQVBAXNjx8?feature=player_embedded" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>

    Sligoverb:
    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fpmmgI1MWas?feature=player_detailpage" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>

    大家聽聽Lucas Miles 63 Vibroverb replica的音色($3200). 可惜我的吉他技巧不佳無法在我的Vibroverb clone表現.

    :)
     
  9. Desert Surfer

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    Vibroverb也可當爵士音箱?

    Vibroverb for jazz?

    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aBqtwBZrPGM?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    :)
     
  10. Desert Surfer

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    Auralux KingTrem

    David Salzman是Auralux KingTrem的發明人和製作者. 順便介紹一下他這個效果器. 我向他買的Vibroverb Clone 有內建Tremolo, 我沒有另外買.
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    The Auralux KingTrem® offers a dramatic tremolo effect not achieved by conventional tremolo units. Much more than a recreation of the photocell type of tremolo circuit, the KingTrem® produces a very complex tremolo all it's own! Very swampy with hints of univibe and rotary speaker. It's not a phaser, it's not a chorus, it's not a univibe....it's the KingTrem®! After plugging into the KingTrem® your univibe and chorus pedals just may end up in your "vintage collection drawer".


    Additional Features...
    • Hand built one-at-a-time with quality components and a solid die-cast aluminum enclosure box.
    • True bypass switching and extremely quiet circuitry.
    • No weird detuning sounds
    • An intensity control that allows from subtle to very deep effect depth.
    • While some other tremolo units include a footswitch to "half" or "double" your speed selection, the KingTrem includes 2 independent and completely variable speed ranges. This allows the user to pre-set 2 very specific speeds and alternate between them via a "slow/fast" footswitch.
    • (2) LED's for both speed ranges that blink at their selected speed rates when activated.
    • (2) output jacks for the option of splitting output signal to 2 amplifiers.
    • KingTrem works great with guitar as well as keyboards!

    示範示範
    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/a0Q8bNhsJ5E?feature=player_detailpage" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>

    :)
     
  11. Desert Surfer

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    Fender芬達音箱四個最具代表性的年代

    我了解大部份的現代吉他手都在追求最先進高科技的音箱. 沙漠叔卻在開倒車. 懷念過去早期50-60年代的音色, 買不起超高價的原始古董音箱, 退而求其次尋找能夠再呈現老古董音色的複製音箱.

    講到古典音色, 大家首先想到芬達Fender的經典音箱. 這個領域相當廣泛而且需要許多專業知識. 這方面我只是個剛剛才進入這個讓人著迷天地的門外漢.

    我正好有四個最具代表性年代的芬達Fender音箱:

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    Tweed: 59年 Fender Bassman 音箱的再製品 Reissue.
    Blonde: Early 60's Fender Reverb Unit by Gomez 複製品 Clone
    Brownface: 63年 Fender Vibroverb by Auralux 複製品 Clone
    Blackface: 67年 Fender Bandmaster (Original)

    (過去也有過 Blackface 和 Sliverface 的 Twin Reverb, 也一併放入研究)

    這四個代表性的字眼代表什麼呢? 結構上音色又有什麼不同呢?

    沙漠叔將一面研究一面學習. 也希望有相同興趣的網友一起加入討論.

    :)
     
  12. 白

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    這太棒了!
    非常期待!
     
  13. Desert Surfer

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    謝謝"白"的捧場.

    芬達Fender的經典音箱; 我只懂得皮毛, 就先談皮毛(包在木箱的皮)吧.

    首先, 這些提到的都是真空管音箱tube amp. 1966年後出的電晶體音箱我們先不談.

    這四個名詞都是講芬達Fender的經典音箱的外觀, 因為代表芬達不同的年代推出的特殊型號和設計, 變成年代性的代表.

    Tweed: 首先在1948年使用tweed化學布包在音箱的木箱上, 用到1960年(例外; Champ到1964年). 像我Bassman用Tweed包外箱馬上可以知道是按這個期間的模仿再製品, 是59年的Bassman RI.

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    Blonde:
    1960-1964改用Tolex的塑膠布, 首先用白色的叫Blonde. 包括 Tremolux, Bassman, Showman, and Bandmaster. 像我的Blackface Bandmaster, 馬上可以和Blonde Bandmaster 區分年代和內部結構.

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    後來改用不同顏色的Tolex例如63年Brownface通用的深咖啡色 (我的Vibroverb是故意用松木紋的原色, 沒有包Tolex) 和後來Blackface / Silverface 最通行的黑色Tolex. 但不再用包皮來代表年代, 而用音箱控制金屬板的顏色來區分為 Brownface, Blackface, Silverface.

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    Brownface: 1959-1963年, 使用期很短. 一般認為這是 Blonde 到 Blackface 的過渡期產品

    咖啡色音箱控制金屬板
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    Blackface: 1964-1967年. 1981年後又使用

    黑色音箱控制金屬板
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    Silverface: 1967到 1981年

    銀色音箱控制金屬板
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    [待續]

    :)
     
  14. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    電路板 Circuit Board

    下面幾篇比較帶技術性, 我不是非常清楚, 需要網上其他專家加入討論. 我儘量把複雜的細節簡化, 希望不會變成"以偏概全".

    音箱最重要的內部構零件大概是電路 Circuit

    舉例幾個不同時期重要的通用的設計:

    6G7-A

    Fender許多音箱包括Bandmater在1961年至1963年用這個電路, Blonde音箱的愛好者感覺這個電路在彈破音時音色較優越. 而且帶有許多愛好者認為最好的顫音

    6G16

    1963年Fender使用在Vibroverb音箱上, 但第二年1964 Vibroverb就改變用下面的AB763電路

    AB763

    一般認為1963年的這個設計是Fender最好的音箱電路. 也是代表 "Blackface"的電路.

    AA568

    一般認為1968年的這個設計是Fender較差的音箱電路. 也是代表 "Silverface"的電路 (1965年 F被CBS收購, 1968後開始做許多設計上的改變, 許多Fender的愛好者不認同)

    我的貼文用意是讓自己和其他網友對Fender音箱有一個基本的概念. 如果不正確, 請各位不吝指正. 而且希望能夠拋磚引玉, 引出愛好者加入討論.


    :confused:
     
  15. S.Steven

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    我也很想要一顆Fender音箱,但家裡沒位置擺了. 每次老婆經過我那堆東西,有時就氣的問我有幾隻手有幾個耳朵,到底要買多少....:(

    話說回來,我不覺得古董音箱有價值(all origianl). 電子零件都有壽命,音箱這種東西尤其電容的部份,老了,充放電問題很多.壞了又不能隨便找替代品.而且一換過,價值馬上掉. 後來覺得吉他其實才比較具有收藏價值. 只要保養好,留給孫子都還頭好壯壯.
     
  16. Desert Surfer

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    心有戚戚焉.

    還好美國的房子不像台灣這麼貴. 空間大一點. 容易藏.;)

    我不是有錢的玩家, 半收藏半把玩. 一定要跟著市場的需求走. 而且任何玩具都會玩厭. 越接近原裝的的古董音箱轉手越容易. 我前後過手有十多個音箱, 古董音箱好賣而且不會賠錢.

    :)
     
  17. Desert Surfer

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    Fender Twin Reverb 的內部

    我拿我的1967年的Fender Twin Reverb 去和David Salzman 換他的Vibroverb Clone時. 他要確定我的Twin Reverb是否是67年的真品.

    他看到音箱背後的右手邊有個洞, 馬上知道過去有人改裝加 Master Volume Control 過. 擔心內部的主要零件被換過, 把音箱背後拆開檢查. 發現改裝已經還原, 而且零件沒有動. 我去前已經誠實的告訴他音箱開機後把Standby Switch打開時會有一聲"砰"的巨響, 響完就OK沒事. (我想換掉的原因之一) 他不認為是大問題, 好像換個零件就OK. 他再看下後面的貼紙和序號, 是67年的沒錯. 就決定和我換.

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    我前前後後擁有過4台Fender Twin Reverb, 2台65的再製RI, 1台SilverFace, 1台BlackFace

    雖然在網上大家都極力推薦Twin Reverb. 我卻一直不是那麼喜歡. 每次彈不久就不想再彈. 而且實在太重, 根本無法帶出去. 所以都先後賣掉. 奇怪的是每次賣都沒有賠錢, 還小賺一點汽油錢. 可見這個型號的通行性.

    這台Vibroverb Clone 卻會一直想彈. 希望能長久留下. 這個音箱比較冷門, 而且Clone不好賣.

    :cool:
     
  18. 掌門人

    掌門人 當代校長張超然

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    Black Face 的 Twin Verb 也是一個 Fender 經典作品。沙漠叔不適應 Twin Verb 的原因可能一部份是音量。它的音量開到九點鐘方向就不小了,可是真正的好音色要出來不大一些出不來,卻很難在一般空間發揮。音量稍推大卻會因為空間小而感覺被推的不舒服,結果反而影響 picking 力度。而且它的確實在很重.......,但話說沙漠叔換回來的也應該只輕一些,還是屬於相當重的 combo。:D
     
  19. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    謝謝掌門人的解說

    的確可能如此. 我也是不信邪以為自己買到檸檬, 或者認為再製和原始的音色有差, 所以買了四次才死心. 但是就是和Twin Reverb 無緣. :eek:

    Vibroverb 輕了十幾磅, 我和沙漠嫂兩個人勉強搬的動. Twin Reverb 就完全沒有辦法, 很害怕背又扭了. 大概心理作用, 看了就怕. 所以不敢留她. :eek:
     
  20. Desert Surfer

    Desert Surfer Well-Known Member

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    有興趣的玩家, 請進!

    沙漠叔對音箱的知識真的很有限. 但對古典音色很有興趣. 過去偏重于60年代的沖浪音色, 現在開始對50-60年代的其他樂風也開始揣摩. 很希望網上的行家加入討論下面的幾個話題:

    1. 上面提到Fender的不同時期的音箱; Tweed, Blonde, Brownface, Blackface....音色有何不同? 合適何種樂風?

    2. 1X15, 2X10, 4X10 喇叭音色的不同? 如何選擇?

    3. 選擇音箱頭和喇叭箱分開的Head/Cab或兩者合併的Combo?

    4. 音箱Headroom(發生超載distortion之前的最高承量) 對音色的影響? 如何選擇?

    5. 真空管音箱或電晶體音箱, 前者值得多花錢? 多費心保養嗎?

    6. 最佳的音箱和吉他配對; 例如我個人意見; 沖浪Surf: Jazzmaster配Showman或Bandmaster? 藍調Blues: ES335/ES345 配 Fender Twin / Bassman? 鄉村Country: Telecaster配Twin Reverb?等等...

    與其聽沙漠叔外行人在網上零星的剪貼胡說, 不如請網上的經驗者簡單明瞭一語道破, 如果能夠詳細解釋更佳. 沙漠叔同時再補充自己的小小經驗和在美國論壇閱讀的心得.

    歡迎任何有興趣的玩家分享經驗. 請進!

    :)
     

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