如何練速彈

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  1. Crybaby

    Crybaby Member

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    NONO...Paul其他的是beginner或者是extra系列喔...

    其他百分百系列都是其他人的...Richie Kotzen..Van Halen...Joe Perry...

    Racer X 100% 只有這本是Paul的...

    其實寫的真的不錯...又附DVD...
     
  2. Trevor翼

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    OUTSIDE PICKING
    ...是啥 是跨弦ㄉ時候從兩弦外測彈ㄇ?
     
  3. imported_Jim

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    呼..跨弦彈真難搞..感覺右手又要輕.慢..左手動作又要小小的..哀哀哀....真是瓶頸呀!!...
     
  4. rock99

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    想知道,大家速彈時是手腕動還是手肘動?
    很欣賞網友炎夏,但看他和Marty Friedman對飆時,深覺老外Picking時很明顯的比較有力道,這樣講並不是說炎夏彈得不好,畢竟Marty已經出道十幾二十年了
     
  5. JerryC

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    手腕"轉動"...類似用手腕轉開一般裝有喇叭鎖的門那樣..
    這是台中亞邁的鳥捷教我的, 事實上國外許多強調PICKING的吉它手也是如此(如Paul Gilbert)也有些是靠大姆指與食指的轉動(如YJM與Jason Becker)--不過我發現他們就算使用指頭轉動, 也是靠手腕微微的轉動來帶動手指的運作.

    偷偷推薦一下, 鳥捷真的是個不錯的老師..至少講得出口的東西他都能彈得讓我心服口服..我只跟他學過PICKING就感到受益良多了....寒假真是迫不及待再去給他唸一下..XD
     
  6. wenyushn-小溫

    wenyushn-小溫 New Member

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    也有人手腕是不旋轉的
    我記得paul就是不旋轉的
    angelo和impelleteli也是不旋轉的

    yngwie和島紀史都是手腕旋轉加手指
    但是這種方式幾乎都只有由上至下的時候彈
    由下往上動作是不太一樣的

    事實上picking沒有絕對,習慣拍子穩就好
    除非速度上不去才會試用其他的方式來picking
     
  7. 鈍指吉他手

    鈍指吉他手 New Member

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    速彈是左右手協調度的表現 !!!
     
  8. JerryC

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    剛又看了三片PAUL的教學帶求證..
    他的右手腕的確有轉動 只是因為在快速PICKING之下,
    在正面是看不太出來的(動作太大要怎麼彈快!?)
    但是從琴頭附近看過去的視角來判斷就一目了然
     
  9. Crybaby

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    picking時轉動手腕是Paul的招牌之一...

    除此之外
    MI出的那本Rock Guitar Techniques 裡頭也是
    教這種強而有力的Alternate-picking方式~~~
    打一段出來好了..看有些人一直有點誤解^^"
    "There are many ways to attack a string. Some of you may tense up your forearm and shake your hand up and down--others may wiggle your fingers. We're going to talk about using your wrist to attack the note. Think of your hand as just a big "pick holder"; it doesn't make any adjustments during picking. Make sure your forearm is relaxed. The only motion is from your wrist. It is similar "to turning a key inside a lock"--a twisting motion.

    大意是說...
    有很多種撥弦的方式..
    有些人是用甩動手的方式..有些人是轉動他們的手指
    在這裡我們是以運用手脕的picking方式為主要..
    確定你的前臂是放鬆的..唯一的動作是你的手脕
    picking的動作就像在用鑰匙開門一樣-a twisting motion

    聽Paul在彈的時候... 弦都啪啪啪的叫~~~~超爽~~

    說真的...

    這種picking方式剛開始真的不好練...可是一但熟悉之後...
    真的可以增加很多的punch!!!
     
  10. JerryC

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    就是這個, 就是這個!
    我要說的就是這個啦..謝謝CryBaby兄轉錄的文字^^
     
  11. Trevor翼

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    JerryC那台北有什麼好老師推薦ㄇ?
     
  12. 上帝之子

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    JerryC你說的是亞邁鳥傑吧他的picking真讚原來你有請教過他難怪我聽你彈steve vai 的歌每個音都很平均讚ㄛ
     
  13. sacrifice

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    我沒買過YOUNG GUITAR 也不知道去哪買~"~
    有人可以把練習譜用掃描機傳上來嗎 ??
    ※可以解釋一下啥是OUTSIDE PICKING嗎??
     
  14. 上帝之子

    上帝之子 New Member

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    我記的沒錯out就是兩弦之間彈奏
    好像吧我看過嗯嗯
     
  15. axes

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    一定要用節拍器
    還有一定要放鬆才行
    以前我老師跟我說就像打撞球一樣
    自己體會吧
     
  16. JerryC

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    基本上, 我是他的學生呀!
    不過我的PICKING還不到家, 差得遠了..可能是HI-GAIN的關係, 讓你誤以為我彈的顆粒很平均...XD
     
  17. wenyushn-小溫

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    如果你的手和我一樣小的話,那你玩起PAUL的東西會很痛苦的...
    不過我練他的教材覺得非常有用,我全部買正版的,共有六捲錄影帶
    (不過我相信很多人買盜版VCD,勸大家不要這麼做)

    另外,PAUL在95年以前的PICKING方式和之後略有不同
    他自己有說改變了力道和角度
    這就是為何我說他沒旋轉手腕,有些人說有
    他以前的方式確實就像打撞球那種動作
    如果各位有看IEMPELLETELI的錄影帶應該知道我在說什麼

    我想問問大家在跨弦後往上PICKING的那個音
    剛開始練,會不會感覺有點卡住了
    我看100%裡頭來回OUTSIDE PICKING的示範
    真的超流暢的,我最近練了好久才有一點點突破

    就是PICK的角度以及手指上一點細微的動作去調整跨弦的速度
     
  18. wenyushn-小溫

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  19. Crybaby

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    其實Paul真的有改變picking的方式...
    可以聽聽他在Second Heat和Live At Whisky兩張專輯裡面的Scarified的差別...(他兩首的transcribed score我都有)

    他以前是用Sweep picking去彈...
    在Live At Whisky裡面他全部是用Skipping...配上他的outside-picking...

    其實之後他大部分都是用skipping處理..
    我覺得這真的是他一項很大的突破...

    outside-picking真的是要花時間和心力去練...練起來之後就會發現..

    其實paul有一些速彈的句子沒有想像中困難...
    (困難的其實是他藥指和小指的垂勾...真的很恐怖)

    wenyushn兄...
    其實我建議你在outside-picking的時候..把pick拿成"往上的45度角"..來練..這樣練順就比較不會卡到~~
    (這也是那本MI Rock Guitar Techniques有提到的)

    謝謝你的網站...剛好之前想找那個研究所來看看^^
     
  20. wenyushn-小溫

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    謝謝你的意見,我會試看看
    因為我一直都是用pick和弦平行的角度去picking
    往上傾斜不是聲音聽起來會比較沒這個大的顆粒??
     

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