Gibson的問寵~有gibson的快看看

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  1. pignkevin1

    pignkevin1 Member

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    第一弦第七格(B)
    用後段彈奏破音
    我的琴延音到最後會變成泛音
    然後很快延音就斷了
    有人有這個問題嗎?
    要怎麼解決(NECK 和FRET都正常喔)
     
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  2. Guitar'Man

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    我也有問題..我的GIBSON琴頸超直的..銅條幾乎沒磨損,為什麼用他的第一弦第五格推弦時,推全音...聲音都會斷掉..好像是被銅條卡的到聲音..我也試了一下其他琴..也是都剛好這第五格的第一弦推弦有這樣的狀況..請問這樣是正常的嗎??還是要拿去給人調整.....請大家為我和樓上的大哥解答吧!!感激不盡...
     
  3. -Ray-

    -Ray- New Member

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    我前陣子八度音不準...
    拿去給國揚調一調就OK了...

    你也拿去給他看看比較快..
    500塊搞到好
     
  4. I don't live today.

    I don't live today. Member

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    琴頸應該要有一點彎度
    .010的relief
    會比較不會有類似狀況, 不然就把琴橋調高一點
     
  5. pignkevin1

    pignkevin1 Member

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    我有個朋友有兩把gibson都有這樣的問題
    我找到樂器行要幫我看看了
    看他調的如何摟^^
     
  6. crazytrain

    crazytrain New Member

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    豬凱文,你拿去那邊是沒用的,因為以前我也拿去那裡過= =||
     
  7. Paul_Yan

    Paul_Yan New Member

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    "第一弦第七格(B)
    用後段彈奏破音
    我的琴延音到最後會變成泛音
    然後很快延音就斷了"

    In my humble opinion, there are some high frets in the 11th~15th frets area. Your Les Paul needs a little fret dressing and leveling in that area. I recommend seeking the help from our moderator Jeff, or Suli.

    "我也有問題..我的GIBSON琴頸超直的..銅條幾乎沒磨損,為什麼用他的第一弦第五格推弦時,推全音...聲音都會斷掉..好像是被銅條卡的到聲音.."

    Again, in my humble opinion, there are 3 possible causes for your problem:
    1-Your strings, especially the high ones, are too low. Try raising the bridge a little on that side.
    2-High frets in the 9th~12th frets area. Fret leveling is needed to cure the problem.
    3-Your neck is probably "backbowed" (too straight) like condition B below.
    [​IMG]
    It can be remedied by loosening the truss rod. Try loosening the truss rod by giving your truss rod nut a 1/4 counterclockwise turn (no need to loosen the strings) and see if you're happy with the result.
    [​IMG]

    How to check if your guitar neck has too much relief?

    Here's how you do it---With yourself sitting down and with your guitar IN PLAYING POSITION (don't do it with the guitar lying flat on a table because gravity will pull the neck towards the floor and make the neck seem straight) , press your low E string at the 1st and last frets at the same time. (Using a capo on the 1st fret will make it easier for you.) There should be a .005"~.010" distance (=space, gap) between the string and the 8th or 9th fret. In other words, the space there should only allow a thin business card to slide through. If you can slide 3 or more business cards through there, then your neck has too much relief. If the string is "kissing" the 8th or 9th fret, then your neck is too 'backbowed". Don't just look at the neck from behind the bridge because "looking" is never precise enough.

    Beware that a neck that is backbowed or dead straight will have fret buzz (打弦) on open string notes and notes at frets 1~5. A neck that has too much relief will have fret buzz on notes at the last frets (17~21 or 24).

    ***Sorry, I can only type English. Typing Chinese is too much work for me.***
     
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  8. pignkevin1

    pignkevin1 Member

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    謝謝paul Yan
    我會試看看!!
     
  9. All Music in This Forum

    All Music in This Forum New Member

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    請問以上有這種情況的是不是都是 Gibson Les Paul Classic ?

    我遇過好多把 LP Classic 都有這種問題

    另外, 請問 fret-leveling 跟 fret dressing 是一樣的意思嗎 ?

    那可以大概介紹一下該怎麼做 (瞭解一下~~)
     
  10. pignkevin1

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    我和我的朋友
    用過的gibson共5把
    有3把出現這種狀況~
    比例好像太高了...還是太衰了..哈哈哈
    有standard.classic style.
    學乖了~下次會仔細挑!!

    還有調完neck還是無法解決~
    有資深修琴專家說這是body共鳴問題~
    國外也一堆這個問題~通常出現在升A或B這兩個音~
    可以嘗試換換金屬配件~也許會改善~
    不過我還找不到原廠之外的配件(琴橋.弦鈕等..)
    如果有人換過而有改善可以分享一下喔~~thanks^^
     
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  11. 傷心小子--HBK

    傷心小子--HBK New Member

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    我的是2004年CUSTOM..........狀況比你們還慘..........琴都快被我給弄斷了....
     
  12. pignkevin1

    pignkevin1 Member

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    天阿~連custom都.......
     
  13. 佔領音樂

    佔領音樂 New Member

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    我的gibosn lp classic也有這樣的狀況
    但是是到尾音最後的時候才會出現小小的泛音現象
    因為不明顯所以我個人倒是沒那麼介意qq
     
  14. teru

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    我算幸運...買二手的 lp gothic 好像沒這樣的問題...
    以後買gibson又多了一項檢查的項目了...
    不然買了才知道無法改變的延音問題就虧了...
     
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  15. Sickness

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    上面討論的是 dead spot (note) 的問題,
    一般吉他和貝斯或多或少都有這樣的情況, 和什麼牌子的琴甚至系列型號沒有絕對的關係
     
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  16. teru

    teru Member

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    標題說@@...gibson的問題...

    剛好我也是gibson的愛好者...

    我沒說這樣的情況跟"gibson"有絕對的關係吧...

    樓上的用紅字標明是想提醒什麼呢...??
     
  17. Paul_Yan

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    Hi Mr. All Music In This Forum,

    As far as I know, fret leveling is the 1st step in a fret dressing process, which is followed by fret crowning.

    To eliminate fret buzz caused by frets of eneven heights, fret leveling is required to assure that all frets have the same height relative to the fingerboard when the neck is absolutely straight. It's done by laying a straight edge on the frets, across the 1st to the last fret and across the 1st to the 6th string, in order to find out which frets, under which strings, are taller than the others.[​IMG]

    Then, a fret leveling block of the fingerboard's radius is used to file out the offending fret tops.[​IMG]

    Once the frets are leveled, fret crowning is required to re-establish the 'crown' shape of the fret tops, with crowning files that have the proper inner radius.[​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The fret ends at both sides of the fingerboard need to be filed to be smooth too.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The final step is polishing and buffing the frets to be smooth and shiny with steel wool, wet sand papers and cloths.[​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Here are a couple of interesting links for you to get deeper into it:

    Finding where the buzzes are:
    http://www.musiccenters.com/buzz.html

    Doing "it":
    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/skgs/sk/fretcrowning.htm

    http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/fretdress1

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    Frankly, however I love Gibson Les Paul guitars, it comes as no surprise that so many people's new Gibson guitars, be it a Standard, Classic or Custom, have all these problems of fret buzz, dead spots, poorly filed nuts and string-killing saddles as it's a well known fact all over the world that Gibson has been notorious for fairly dissapointing craftsmanship and unstable quality control on their over-priced products for the past 15 years. The build and finish quality of newer Gibson guitars is really a joke when you compare it to that of Rickenbacker, Hamer and PRS guitars, just to name a few.

    You can all blame it on this guy---Henry Juszkiewicz, Gibson's current chairman and CEO. He's been leading Gibson for 2 decades. All he cares about is making money. He doesn't care about maintaining the Gibson quality and heritage. The Gibson Legacy has deteriorated and is very much endangered because of this man's agressive cost-saving and profit-building managing philosophy.
    [​IMG]

    For our friends who own Gibson guitars with neck and fret issues, I highly recommend that you seek the professional help from Jeff or Suli.

    Good luck, my friends.
     
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  18. pignkevin1

    pignkevin1 Member

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    謝謝PAUL YAN又再次提供這麼豐富的內容摟~^^
    THANK YOU!

    "You can all blame it on this guy---Henry Juszkiewicz, Gibson's current chairman and CEO. He's been leading Gibson for 2 decades. All he cares about is making money. He doesn't care about maintaining the Gibson quality and heritage. The Gibson Legacy has deteriorated and is very much endangered because of this man's agressive cost-saving and profit-building managing philosophy."........
     
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  19. johnyuen89

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    我的PRS Santana SE吉他也有類似情況,第一弦第十三格(F),用前、後段彈奏破音,琴延音到最後會變成泛音,音色非常尖。
    第二弦第十格(A),一彈便有很重的泛音(不美的),和其他琴格的tone不同,很怪。
    但我setup了pickup的高度後,便沒有怪泛音的問題。
    另外我的PRS(Dave Navarro Model),第二弦第十格(A),也有類似情況,但調較了pickup的高度後,便沒有問題。
    我的setup方法參考PRS的官方網。
    http://prsguitars.com/csc/setup.html

    setup Gibson or fender可參考以下:

    http://mysite.verizon.net/jazz.guitar/guitarsetup.htm#Setting%20the%20pickup%20height

    希望這些資料對大家有評幫助。
     
  20. Wayne Lo

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    The links are useful. Thanks
     

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